Rhinecliff Advisory Council

Special Meeting Rhinecliff Hamlet Advisory Council Dec 22

Dec 22 2008 - 6:30pm


IMPORTANT MEETING

Where Do We Go From Here?
 
On December 15, the Rhinebeck Town Board voted 3-2 to keep the proposed Rhinecliff Hamlet Extension in the Town Comprehensive Plan – despite years of strong and consistent opposition to the proposal in its various forms from the Rhinecliff Hamlet Advisory Council and residents of Rhinecliff.  In addition, the Board voted 5-0 to amend the Comp Plan to allow up to 200 units of senior housing at the former Holy Cross site.
This special meeting has been called to hear from the public about the Board’s actions, and to discuss possible strategies for the Hamlet moving forward.  Please plan to attend if at all possible.
 
Monday, December 22
 
6:30 p.m.
 
Morton Library


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Town Board Disregards Rhinecliff Residents

Posted December 18th

Last Monday (December 15th) the Town Board voted 3-2 in favor of leaving the 49 unit Rhinecliff extension in the Comp Plan. Members Bruce Washburn, Dan Staley, and Supervisor Tom Tradut voted for the extension while Members Dod Crane and Ellen Silverstein voted against the inclusion of the extension.

For three years the Rhinecliff Hamlet Advisory Committee has recommended against this option and most recently on September 26th, the council voted 7 to 1 in favor of Alternative Plan F, which would not have allowed for such an extension. 

In addition, Randall Arendt, one of the nations leading landscape planners, recently met with the Town Board and members of the community in an effort to explain why such an extension was not practical from a developer's perspective. Mr. Arendt clearly indentified the area for the proposed Rhinecliff extension as having steep slopes, wetlands, and poor drainage, making it completely impractical for small lot development.

The terrible flooding experienced by the Stortini development is the result of poor planning and is exactly what  three members of the Town Board just advocated for Rhinecliff in voting for the inclusion of the Rhinecliff extension.

In voting for the inclusion of the Rhinecliff extension in the Comp Plan, these two board members and the Town Supervisor have completely ignored the wishes of the Rhinecliff community, both large and small land owners, farmers, the recommendations of the Rhinecliff Advisory Council, and the sound advice of the top conservation planner in the country. These actions have placed the Town in a precarious legal limbo with many lawsuits sure to be filed. It is truly astounding that in these economic times the Town should embark on a path that will surely end in a protracted and extremely expensive legal battle.

Rhinecliff.org will be following these developments in the next few weeks and you can look for comprehensive video and reporting in the days to come.


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Rhinecliff Hamlet Advisory Council Endorses Alternative Proposal F

For the past three months, the Council’s  meetings have centered on discussions of the alternative proposal for the Historic District, now known as Alternative Proposal F to the proposed Comprehensive Plan and Zoning Laws before the Town Board.

At a special meeting of the council held September 26th, the council voted 7 to 1 in favor of the Alternative Plan. The council will present this to the Town at the October 4th - Comp Plan Public Hearing to be held at the Rhinebeck High School auditorium.

The alternative proposal is attached below and is viewable as a pdf.


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Recap of Rhinecliff Advisory Council presentation to Town Board on April 14th

The Rhinebeck Town meeting held at the Rhinecliff Firehouse on April 14th featured a presentation by The Rhinecliff Advisory Council on alternatives to the Comprehensive Plan’s proposed “Rhinecliff extension,” previously known as the “Rhinecliff TND.”

Geoff Sanborn (of the Advisory Council) gave a slide presentation and discussion on the four key concerns of the council. These included: The narrow streets and need for safe play areas, limited parking, challenging infrastructure, and the increased flooding that has occurred in recent years.

Some of the details discussed by Mr. Sanborn included the near impossibility of installing a sewage system in Rhinecliff due to the expense needed to overcome the complex geography and the significant historical significance of the region.
The slide presentation included recent photographs of the terrible flooding Rhinecliff has seen in the last few years. This is worth mentioning given the Comp-Plan’s proposed “Rhinecliff extension” is situated on wetlands and steep slopes.

Recognizing the need for growth, the council presented alternative locations be considered at the Laidlaw/Butcher Boys property to the North. Currently zoned commercial, they recommended the zoning be changed to residential.
In order to improve upon the Comp-Plans current recommendations, the council supported the use of Conservation Subdivisions to determine the best areas to place new development.

This practice relies on four key steps to define the best place to build. (i) identifying primary and secondary conservation areas, (ii) design open space to protect them, (iii) arranging houses outside of those protected areas, and (iv) finally lay out streets, lots and infrastructure.

In addition, the council laid out an ambitious plan for connecting the Village of Rhinebeck with the hamlet through a Greenway and connecting trails. This would allow residents to walk and bike from the Village to the hamlet on trails and foot paths.

While most of the presentation was focused on better alternatives to the Comp-Plan’s proposed “Rhinecliff extension,” there were some additional points worth noting. The council proposed capping the size of new homes in the hamlet at 2,800 sq feet in an effort to maintain the character of and feel of existing homes in the historic hamlet. The council also suggested that where appropriate, accessory housing be allowed such as converted garages. This would of course be dependent on septic approval etc.

Few questions were posed to the council after the presentation. The Town Board seemed very receptive and requested printed copies of the presentation for further review.

We hope to post the slide show presented by the council as soon as we receive a copy.


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Video - Rhinecliff Advisory Council

Rhinecliff Advisory Council 14 point review of proposed Rhinebeck Town Comprehensive Plan.

 

 

If you wish to download the complete meeting to your iPod CLICK HERE.


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Rhinecliff Hamlet Advisory Council Meeting - May 14th - Tonight

Agenda
Rhinecliff Hamlet Advisory Council
Today - May 14, 2009
Morton Library, 7 p.m.

I.    Call to Order/Announcements

II.    Introduction of New Council Member

III.    Approval of Minutes

IV.    Updates
A.    Comprehensive Plan
B.    Quadricentennial

V.    Old Business

VI.    New Business

VII.    Adjournment


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Rhinecliff Hamlet Advisory Council Meeting - Jan 8th

Jan 8 2009 - 7:00pm
Jan 8 2009 - 8:00pm

There will be a meeting of the Rhinecliff Hamlet Advisory Council this evening at the Firehouse

Agenda follows:

I.      Call to Order/Announcements
 

II.     Approval of Minutes from Meetings  of November 13 and December 22 (special)
 

III.     Status Report and Discussion of Events Relating to Comprehensive Plan and Rhinecliff since December 15
 

IV.     Update from Town Board Liaison
 

V.     Proposal for Rescheduled Special Meeting on Traffic Concerns, January 22
 

VI.     Old Business
 
VII.   New Business
 

VIII. Adjournment


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RAC Letter to Town Board

After a hamlet meeting called by the advisory council on December 22, 2008, at which over twenty residents of the hamlet expressed their displeasure with the town board’s recent actions, it was decided that the council should communicate that displeasure, and explain its sources, in a letter to the town board.

The action that provoked the most heated response was the town board’s decision to insert into the Comprehensive Plan a provision allowing for the construction of up to 200 units of senior housing at the Holy Cross site. Neither the members of the council nor the residents at the meeting could understand why such a major change in zoning, one that is out of keeping with the zoning in the surrounding area and that would increase the existing traffic problems in Rhinecliff, would be decided on at the last minute without the benefit of input from the community. The council strongly supports the position, articulated in a petition that is currently being circulated by some of the hamlet’s residents, that supplementary DGEIS hearings should be held on this matter. After so many years of painstaking efforts to solicit input from the community on the details of the Comprehensive Plan, it makes no sense for the town board to approve such a radical proposal at the last minute without any feedback from residents.

The members of the council and the residents at the meeting were also upset by the town board’s retention of the so-called Hamlet Extension—49 units of housing on the northeast edge of the hamlet—in the Comprehensive Plan. Given the town board’s general support of the conservation subdivision principles in Alternative F, we do not understand why this exception is being made. Why is the board turning its back on the principle that the location of housing should be determined after unsuitable land has already been taken off the board? (As we have repeatedly pointed out, the land in question consists primarily of steep slopes and wetlands and is the site of Indian artifacts dating back 10,000 years.) And why is the board turning its back on several years of powerfully expressed resistance to this idea from a wide swath of the residents of the hamlet? As the board will see if it reviews the materials that the council has presented to it during the two and a half years of its existence, the council conducted a survey in January 2007 in which nearly two hundred residents strongly opposed the building of a so-called Traditional Neighborhood Development on that location. The council’s opposition to the Hamlet Extension is not the opinion of a minority. It is an expression of the voice of the community.

It is, moreover, not a rejection of future development. It is a call to the town board to locate future development as fairly as possible. The density-on-density logic of “smart growth” is only smart in locations where it is possible to hook into existing infrastructure and where the presence of stores and businesses encourages new residents to get out of their cars and walk. As we have repeatedly pointed out, we have no sewage system, our roads are narrow and mostly without sidewalks, and our clay-on-shale soil leads to frequent flooding, a problem that will only worsen if new housing on the edge of the hamlet takes away permeable soil and pumps more water into the ground. In addition, there is very little to walk to in the center of the hamlet, and as anyone who did walk there from the area of the proposed development would quickly discover, the steepness of the slopes makes for an arduous return trip. A development on the northeastern border of the hamlet would only add more cars to our already overburdened roads, several of which can barely allow for two-way traffic.

In the absence of any explanation of your actions, we can only conclude that you have simply decided to disregard the concerns of the people of Rhinecliff. We would appreciate a response that addresses the concerns that we have expressed and outlines the reasons for your actions.

Respectfully submitted,

The Rhinecliff Hamlet Advisory Council


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Rhinecliff Hamlet Advisory Council Meeting - Nov 13th

Nov 13 2008 - 7:00pm

Concerned about the future of Rhinecliff? Got an issue about life in the Hamlet that you’d like to see addressed?

The next meeting of the Rhinecliff Hamlet Advisory Council will be November 13, 2008 - 7 p.m. at the Rhinecliff firehouse.

The agenda follows:

I.    Call to Order/Announcements

II.    Approval of Minutes from September 11 and September 26 Meetings

III.    Update from Town Board Liaison

IV.    Discussion of Organization and Structure of Council During the Coming Year

V.     Old Business

VI.     New Business

VII.     Adjournment


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Rhinecliff Hamlet Advisory Council Important Meeting September 26th

Sep 26 2008 - 7:00pm

Special Meeting of the Rhinebeck Hamlet Advisory Council

Location: Rhinecliff Firehouse

For the past three months, the Council’s  meetings have centered on discussions of the alternative proposal for the Historic District, now known as Alternative Proposal F to the proposed Comprehensive Plan and Zoning Laws before the Town Board.

Residents of the Hamlet have provided the Council with feedback on this proposal over the last three meetings.  The agenda for this special meeting is for the Council to vote on whether or not to endorse Alternative Proposal F in advance of the Town Board’s public hearings on the Comp Plan, scheduled for October 4 and 7.  The meeting will provide an additional opportunity for Rhinecliff residents to ask questions and make their voices heard before the Council’s vote.

Come join your neighbors for a vitally important discussion about the future of the Hamlet of Rhinecliff and the Town of Rhinebeck.


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Rhinecliff Hamlet Advisory Council Important Meeting August 7

Aug 7 2008 - 7:00pm

Location: Firehouse, Rhinecliff

The Rhinecliff Hamlet Advisory Council will discuss the response of the Council and of Rhinecliff residents to the Scoping Document for the proposed Comprehensive Plan and Zoning Law, and to the alternative zoning proposal that was presented at the Council’s July meeting.

Agenda

I. Call to Order/Announcements

II. Approval of Minutes from July 10 Meeting

III. Report from Town Board Liaison

IV. Comparison of Alternative Zoning Proposal
for the National Landmark Historic District
with the Council’s Fourteen Points

V. Response to Comprehensive Plan
Table of Contents for August 14 Scoping Session

VI. Old Business

VII. New Business

VIII. Adjournment


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Rhinecliff Hamlet Advisory Council meets with Town Board Important Meeting April 14th

Apr 14 2008 - 7:00pm

IMPORTANT MEETING TODAY
The Rhinebeck Town Board will meet in the Hamlet to hear the Rhinecliff Hamlet Advisory Council’s presentation on the Comp Plan and the Zoning Law. Rhinecliff residents are strongly urged to attend this meeting.

 

Where: Rhinecliff Firehouse

When: Thursday, April 14, 7 p.m.


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Rhinecliff Hamlet Advisory Council Important Meeting April 10th

Apr 10 2008 - 7:00pm

 

The Rhinecliff Hamlet Advisory Council will give Rhinecliff residents a preview of the presentation it plans to give to the Town Board concerning the Comp Plan and the Zoning Law. Residents are strongly urged to attend this meeting to give the Council feedback on its planned presentation.

Where: Rhinecliff Firehouse

When: Thursday, April 10, 7 p.m.


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RHINECLIFF HAMLET MEETING

Thursday November 30, 2006    
    
6:45pm
Rhinecliff Fire House

Please join your Rhinecliff neighbors for a discussion of future development adjacent to the hamlet. Jamie Kibel and Michael DeCola (Goomer Hollow LLC) will present ideas for their land, 538 acres south of Rhinecliff.

IMPORTANT:  If you haven’t completed a survey yet, please do so.  Your opinion is important.  Thanks.


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Town Board Appoints Rhinecliff Advisory Council

Congratulations to the following people, who were appointed to the Rhinecliff Advisory Council at the July 10 Town Board meeting:

  • David Anthone (Temporary Chair, term ends July 31, 2008)
  • Mark Browne (term ends July 31, 2008)
  • Melissa Cohen (term ends July 31, 2007)
  • Kathy Flynn (term ends July 31, 2008)
  • Tom Holsapple (term ends July 31, 2008)
  • Lance Ringel (term ends July 31, 2007)
  • Sharon Rushton (term ends July 31, 2008)
  • Geoffrey Sanborn (term ends July 31, 2007)
  • Greg Sokaris (term ends July 31, 2007)

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